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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, May 22, 2005 - 8:23 PMIt looks as if no one is. The group is stll very small. -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, May 22, 2005 - 8:56 PMThank you for replying. I am learning to play the kaba gaida. It would be interesting if there were any body playing the folk music to say hello. -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Mon, May 23, 2005 - 11:56 PMDirk, you have a kaba gaida player
right there in Seattle. If you go to
Folklife Festival this weekend,
specifically on Sunday evening
and go to Center House, you just
may hear one. The next closest
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Tue, May 24, 2005 - 5:47 AMI will be standing next to the kaba gaida player right there specifically on Sunday evening at the center house. Where will you be? -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Tue, May 24, 2005 - 6:41 AMi will be on stage from 8:05 - 8:50,
playing gudulka with my band,
Kafana Klub. See you there!
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Tue, May 24, 2005 - 10:49 PMLooking forward to meeting you and hearing you play! Thanks!!!! -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Fri, May 27, 2005 - 12:08 AMwell, you are going to be in heaven. i just
found out that there will be at least 3
Rhodope pipers playing a long pravo set
sometime sunday evening at Center House.
my guess is that it will occur between sets
while one group is leaving and the next
setting up. the gaidi will be out in the center
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Fri, May 27, 2005 - 9:02 AMI will have to be certain to not miss that. I looked in the schedule, though, and didn't see it. -
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Mon, May 30, 2005 - 9:36 AMgadulkaman - you are a master. Thanks for joining in the dance - also a fine player you are. I listened to most all of your set and it was quite excellent. All the musicians were top notch. I really enjoyed the gadulka and the kaval playing with the Taupan going. Great dance music!
And what about that violin player! That is some passionate playing there! And the blend of you two sounded great. It sounded like you two matched well (even with the sound reverb). Be sure to PM me with the low down on the accordian player! later -
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Thu, June 2, 2005 - 8:36 PMthanks, Dirk! and for those out there lurking,
Dirk just happened to be one of those 3 Rhodope
gaida players in the center of the floor playing to
a few hundred dancers. well done, Dirk. Now, let's
get you to Mendocino for the week-long camp
where you can study with other nutz like us. :)
i feel so very lucky to have some fine, enthusiastic
and dedicated musicians playing with me. if you are
ever in Portland on a Tuesday evening, come on
down to It's a Beautiul Pizza. it is quite the scene.
playing each and every week for dancers in
public has helped tremdously to make this band
a real joy to play with.
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sat, February 4, 2006 - 9:03 AMYeah, I'm learning, too ... and slowly. Nobody else in Richmond, VA, plays Balkan music (at least, none that I've been able to find), so I'm learning from CD and a couple of books. I envy you guys and gals in the NortEast and NorthWest with large-sized Balkan musical communities, dance clubs, Balkan camps, etc. Gawd, it gets so lonely here!
Question: Do you spend more time TUNING and FIXING your gaida than you do actually PLAYING it? My kaval teacher says that all gaida players are, by nature, also master do-it-yourself-ers and repairmen.
Any advice on mastering ornaments? The heart of gaida music is in the ornaments, I think, and my own playing sounds ... heartless.
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Sat, February 4, 2006 - 11:06 AMWhat instrument (s) specifically are you learning to play? And in what key. -
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Sat, February 4, 2006 - 10:53 PMI've been making strong in-roads with Macedonian and Bulgarian kaval for the past several years, but my kaba gaida continues to elude me. I have several sets of reeds for it, in the keys of D, E and F ... relative terms, as the keys constantly shift and I am perpetually adjusting those strings on the reeds.
The flea-hole! What is the deal with the FLEA-HOLE? I mean, I understand that it can be used to ornament a tone with pulses and vibrato, but I also thought that it is supposed to raise a note by a semi-tone when it is opened up, and THAT is definitely not happening on MY chanter. Maybe a quarter-tone, but not a full semi-tone. One of my books says that a hollow tube has to be inserted into the flea-hole, but it doesn't give any specific dimensions. I've experimented with different lengths of tiny plastic tubing but with no real success. Another book recommended the quill from a chicken feather! -
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Sat, February 4, 2006 - 11:52 PMLots of qs.
The chanter is what is going to determine what reed to use. The chanter is tuned to respond to a certain key. So you must first find out what key your chanter is in, then find the reed that fits that key. In the absence of a human being, one possibility is to have someone like me, if there were some one like me, send to you a xerox of his d,e, and f chanters, then you can compare size and hole spacing and that is a good bet.
A reed needs time to settle.
The chanter may need some small adjustment to blend with the reed.
You pressure on the bag alters the tone as well as your finger placement.
There are 4 of us that play every other week. We all have "E" kaba gaidas. We all tune to a tuning machine to all sound close before we play together and then we do not adjust our reeds unless there is a big change.
Typically, it is the flea hole that is used to get the sharp for a certain note of the scale (or flat if you are going down). So, to me, it is another note of the scale, depending on which scale you are playing. Although it is used for pulses and vibrato, there is also the thumb hole which adds more drama and feel and rhythm to the music.
But for now, if you are beginning, you should not be so caught up in ornaments. It should be on learning the melodies with no ornaments, as well as learning your scale. Not to memorize the fingering, but to know what notes are associated with each one - to read notes, write notes, play notes and to sing notes. But thats another lesson. :)
The flea hole is not complete without a small tube running inside the chanter. Typically it is made from a feather quill, a rolled up piece of a beer can metal, or a brass tube. IF you do not have a tube, your chanter will not be true to scale. the tube is inserted into the hole and is about 5/7 across the diameter of the chanter. Like about 1/2" or so. It must be cut and adjusted so it stays in the hole, and is the proper length to sound the notes in the scale.
What you must do is find a bulgarian that does this, or knows about it, and he will set you on the right path.
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, February 5, 2006 - 12:01 AMOh, and you know you are close enough to DC to check out these dudes:
mywebpages.comcast.net/weiner...ery.htm
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Sun, February 5, 2006 - 12:08 AMYes, I met Larry Weiner a few years ago at a Zlatne Uste show at Longwood College. Thanks for the tip. -
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Thu, February 9, 2006 - 10:18 AMHi Geoff,
Larry Weiner is my father and my Bulgarian wife sings in his band. The photo of the band is from a maybe 6 years ago. Their current website is here: www.lyutichushki.com/main.html
I too am learning Rhodope gaida. I just love the sound of this instrument and the music from that region is so sweet. I took my first lessons at a seminar in Plovdiv, Bulgaria last summer with a young guy from Shiroka Luka, a small village in the Rhodopi mountains, named Georgi Prisadov. Nice guy and very good teacher. I ordered a new gaida through him and received it last month. It's so huge. I joke that it's made from a small cow. I'm still breaking it in. Btw, you might want to consider going to this seminar this summer. My dad coordinates it along with my father-in-law who is the Dean of Folk Arts at the Plovdiv Music and Dance Academy. They have put together a great staff of instructors.
If you ever make your way up to the DC area, let me know and we can try to connect. My Balkan wedding band, The Balkanics, plays once a month at a club in DC. The keyboard player in my band, Varol, also plays gaida (jura and kaba) in Lyuti Chushki and maybe he'd be willing to spend some time working on gaida stuff with you if you make it up here.
Take care,
Bryndyn
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Fri, February 10, 2006 - 8:17 PMWow, small world ... you must know Valeri Georgiev, then. My one and only kaval lesson was with him! As a matter of fact, I think it may have been your dad who introduced me to him in the first place. Sounds like y'all have a great, tight-knit scene up there in DC.
Waaaaaaaait a minute ... Dean of Folk Arts at Plovdiv? ... don't tell me that your father-n-law is Lyuben Dossev! Impossible! I've been reading about him for years ...
Am starting to feel like leaving Northern VA was the biggest mistake I ever made ...
Ah, anyway. I'm going to Greece and Turkey this summer, BUT ... my wife has agreed ... Greece and Turkey THIS summer, and Bulgaria and Macedonia NEXT summer.
One of the many complicating factors for me is that I'm a high school teacher and most of the Balkan camps are during the very beginning or the very end of the school year. Except for my one lesson with Valeri, I've been on my own with the kaval, gaida, darbuka, etc.
Would love to meet up with you guys the next time you play. I have family in Fairfax County and Alexandria, but I don't get up there very often (phobia of I-95, truth be told). Anyway, thanks for introducing yourself. I'm more of a slivo man, myself, but the first round's on me if we ever get a chance to meet ... -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sat, February 11, 2006 - 8:12 AMThat's right, Lyuben is my father-in-law. I'm married to his daughter Tzvety. Valeri is a good friend and I'll being seeing him tonight at a party he's having at his house. I'm envious of your planned trip to Greece and Turkey. I'd really like to visit these countries. We've gone to BG each of the last 3 summers and we'll go again this Summer for the seminar. Maybe we'll make it down to Greece for a few days.
I hope you can make time to get up here. If you expect to, I can help you get in touch with Valeri and Varol should you be interested in taking a kaval or gaida lesson with them.
Na zdravie,
Bryndyn
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, February 5, 2006 - 12:06 AMFOUR gaida players ... in the SAME CITY?!?
Ahhh, very interesting ... I mistakenly thought that all chanters were more or less the same and key was simpy a question of whatever reed you popped into it. Something to look into.
Thanks for all the advice.
As a matter of fact ... you are the first, living gaida player I have ever 'spoken' to. Weird, eh?
Looks like I've got more experimenting to do with that flea-hole.
The one-man war continues.
Thanks again.
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Wed, January 3, 2007 - 11:55 AMooo neat posts --
kaba gaida gaidanitsi are very interesting -- I have several of different sizes/hole spacings that play fine in the same tuning - and have some of the same size that really want to play a whole step apart --
I've seen alot of the kaba gaida gaidanitsi without a tube in the flea-hole that play fine in tune, and some that needed a tube added - depends alot on the size of the hole and the thickness of the wood that the hole goes thru - small flea hole going thru a thick amount of wood tends to have less need of the tube in this type of gaidanitsa -- thracian types on the other hand seem to always require a tube to make the hole long enough (the physics equations for hole placement actually seem to make sense here - wall thickness and hole size affect tone/hole placement in the equations ;))
real tough to start out with this without working with someone who can adjust and get the instrument set up right to start with - and even tougher to get the proper styling without playing with some really good gaidari --
but if you just want to screw around and do your own thing that's great too -- but there's something about the old Rhodope style that's worth the extra trouble IMHO --
care and feeding is similar to thracian and macedonian gaids, but from the little I know of western bagpipes, there may be significant diferences in how you want to treat (or not treat) the bag and parts...
and once you get it sort of working - the best way to get it to stabilize and play better is to play it ALOT -- they benefit from frequent playing...
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sat, May 13, 2006 - 5:35 PMHi,
I'm gaida newbie from Melbourne/AU. Got my band and try t ouincorporate gaida into it.
Must admit that I cannot really tune it properly. It seems to be slightly flat E but while I can adjust drone I have no ide how to adjust tuning of chanter. is it possible at all? Is it neccessary to fix that tube into flea hole to have instrument playing a proper tone? Also it sounds like intervals on chanter aren't really even - sometime it sounds like quarter-tone.
Also - can I remove reeds from a chanter/drone ie. to adjust them? should they be moist like clarinet ones?
what should i remember as a beginner? what "not-to-do" ? ;-)
thanks for your help....
Peter
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Sun, May 14, 2006 - 1:03 PMPeter -
I share all of your confusion ... especially with regard to the ever elusive flea hole. From what I have been recently told by more experienced players, you DO have to put some kind of tube into the flea hole ... I've been experimenting with everything from the plastic ink cartridges in cheap ball-point pens to the spines of bird feathers ... but, so far, I've only gotten somewhere between a quarter-tone and a half-tone of difference.
As far as adjusting the drone and chanter reeds ... have you yet experimented with pushing the strings of the reeds up or down? This is the best that I've been able to come up with on my own: Tune the chanter first (push the strings on the reed closer to the base to flatten the tone and away from the base to sharpen it), and then tune the drone to the chanter (this can be done by pulling the drone sections slightly away from eachother to lower the tone, or by pushing the sections together to sharpen it ... more extreme adjustments can be made by shoving the reed strings to and fro).
From what little I've been told, drone and chanter reeds DO need to be kept moist ... with sheep fat, nonetheless. I use beeswax, personally, but I don't have enough experience to actually recommend that to other. Ask me in a year or two.
What "not to do"? Don't give up! This is a fickle and often exasperating instrument that often gives more pain than pleasure, but, everytime you start feeling like throwing the whole g#$% d#$% thing in the street and driving over it with your car, put one of your favorite Bulgarian or Macedonian gaida CDs in your stereo and listen to this beautiful, haunting, epic sound that captured your fascination enough to want to play it yourself in the first place. Listen to as much live and recorded music as possible, and read Tim Rice's "May It Fill Your Soul" (if you can find a copy). Also, try to find other players in your area. Dunno which part of Australia you live in, but I've stumbled across a LOT of web sites of Balkan musicians who now live Down Under, so you may just have a gaida-playing neighbor nearby.
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Sun, May 14, 2006 - 10:48 PMThanks Geoff,
good to know that confusion is common thing for all newbie gaida pipers ;-)
I'll try to move strings on reed up and down but from what I see I must unwind and wind them again, right? do i have to use some kind of glue to firm them in a new position? From a beginning i was aware that bpipes in general needs lot of stamina because of constant pressure in the bag - thats fine for me and probably after weeks of dizziness when playing i'll get used to that fact - the problem is that reeds seems to be "unbalanced" - sometime it needs double effort and extra air to have the same pitch - sometime it goes perfectly on pitch for long time, sometimes very little "Rest" causes reeds to "choke" and goes overtone.
How do you moist the reed? do you actually put wax on whole tube or just a vibrating part?
Thanks a lot - i really appreciate your help. Let me know when you find a proper flea hole insert ;-)
BTW: it is really hard to discourage me from a stuborn instrument. I'm playing hurdy-gurdy for over three years and literally spent first year setting that instrument and learning how to "feel" it - I still have a lot to learn on it but at least finally I feel I can start to learn how to play it ;-) ..........
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Mon, May 15, 2006 - 7:24 PMI just shove those little threads up and down verrrrrrrry gradually ... no unwinding and definitely no glue. Once re-positioned, they're not likely to move back their original positions by themselves.
I know exactly what you mean about reeds that choke out or fall into the overtone. For me, some drone reeds will choke out completely, but two different tricks will free them up ... if your arms are long enough, reach down and briefly smother the hole on the end of the drone pipe. You might have to do this a few times in rapid succession. Also, sometimes a few infuriated strikes with the right hand at the top of the drone pipe, roughly where the reed is, will dislodge a "stuck" reed tongue. Although I'm NOT recommending this ... ah, what the hell, you did say that you've survived the hurdy-gurdy ... although I'm not recommending this, the overtone problem frustrated me enough that I unwound the threads and re-tied them ... time-consuming and very trial-by-error (you can't re-tie too tight OR too loose or the whole thing's useless), but I have rehabilitated a couple of my reeds by doing this.
I moistened the entire reed from top to bottom ... shaft, tongue, threads and all. I guess, the way I look at it, the beeswax seals the reed wood and keeps it from expanding from 15 or 30 minutes worth of hot. humid, vodka-infused breath. Maybe I'm way off-base with this, but it makes sense to me.
Hey, try this: whittle a wine cork down to the point where it will fit in the end of your drone pipe. Now, practice by only playing the chanter. This will allow you to practice your melodies and your fingering AND slowly build up your lung-power at the same time. As you start buidling more endurance, practice a little more with both pipes each day. Worked for me. I may be a lousy gaida player, but I can practically play the damn thing under water for the better part of an hour.
What's amazing to me is that many gaidari SMOKE several packs a day!
Hey, incidentally ... do you have any problems with spouses, significant others, family members, friends and neighbors? My wife doesn't let me practice after 10pm, and she prefers that I put it away when people come to visit! And friends and acquaintances tend to spot it laying on a chair in all its deflated glory, point with trembling fingers and hiss between clenched teeth, "Sweet merciful jeezuz, what is THAT?!?"
I need more Macedonian and Bulgarian friends ...
Good luck. Let me know if any of this works. We're in this together, my friend.
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Fri, September 8, 2006 - 12:20 PMI just purchased a Kaba Gaida from WWW.Bulgariana.com. I have no knowledge of Bulgarian music styles, but I do know how to play bagpipes, and purchased the Gaida because it is a trully ancient instrument with a trully ancient and awesome sound. I normally play medieval bagpipes and baroque instruments, as I play mainly period music in medieval and Roman re-enactment groups. The Gaida sounded far more ancient and stately to me than many of the medieval smallpipes that I've played. Hopefully, when i get it, I can just jump in and play. That 4-foot long drone sure sounds great.
Perhaps I'll look for some actual Bulgarian music to duplicate when I've finished getting accustomed to the new pipes. But for now, i just want to play what I know, and see if it works with the music I already play. Hopefully the flea-hole won't confuse me. is the flea-hole just the top noe on the chanter, or is it an additional hole? -
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Fri, September 8, 2006 - 4:28 PMIt is the top hole on the chanter, but it is less than one-third the size of the other fingerholes. You must put a short length of plastic or copper tubing down into the flea hole (I had to experiment to find just the right length and diameter of tubing to finally get this right, and I ended up using the end of the ink tube inside of a ballpoint pen).
Do you have any access to Bulgarian gaida music? You really should listen to some ... not just to be a more soulful and competent gaidar, but also 'cos it's beautiful, powerful and otherworldly music that a pipe-player of ANY tradition would immediately appreciate. Contact me offline and I can recommend some Internet resources for Balkan music. -
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Fri, September 8, 2006 - 4:52 PMI respectfully and informedly disagree with having to put something in the flea hole. You put something in if for some reason if it was delivered to you out of tune after you get your self set up, warmed up, and all of that and have the instrument settled somewhat so that you can make a proper assessment. -
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Sat, September 9, 2006 - 8:10 AMYou are probably correct on this. Only problem is, my chanter is SO low quality, with NOTHING in the flea hole, it barely shifts the pitch of the lower notes AT ALL when opened. As a matter of fact, when I first bought this gaida and started playing, I couldn't even figure out what that little hole was even for! Every other gaida player I've spoken to has also had to resort to putting something in the flea hole ... but maybe it's just a question of chanter design and quality, or personal preference, or something.
Dirk, while I've got you on the line, lemme ask you a question ... because the drone is tuned two octaves below the fifth on the chanter, I've been assuming that this is the basic key that one can play songs in ... Only problem is, that doesn't allow for much of a melodic range ... just a few notes above and a few notes below the fifth. Am I incorrect here? I was always assuming that the key of the song and the drone pipe "have to" be the same note, but now I'm wondering ...
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Sat, September 9, 2006 - 9:12 AMMy shoot from the hip opinion is yes sorta. Gernerally you are limitied optimally to a certain key. But there are still possibilities. I do no know music theory about this - yet. But here are a couple of thoughts that I have:
--The gaidanitsa provides a chromatic scale. So within that are a couple of poossible keys that can be played that may match or sound well with the singer- together with the drone going. You make use of the accdentals and can manage that.
--If you are learning, one good thing to do is to find each scale and be able to play, play it in major, minor and hijaz.
--The other thing to consider is shutting off the drone in order to play in a key where it does not sound proper.
--The other thing to consider if you are playing with a song in a different key, is to stop the gaida while the song is being sung and when you strike it in, you are in a relative harmony of it so it sounds cool when you step up to play. There is always the proper way to strike in, gaidanitsa plays 3 notes, then pop the drone with your finger - or the old - full nelson (not reliable) giving one sharp burst on the bag and the drone starts from there.
hehe
these are just thoughts, I am still learning
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Fri, September 22, 2006 - 8:57 AMThis is what I do with other bagpipes, and I may be too ignorant of the Gaida (still hasn't arrived in the mail yet), but here it is in case it helps.
I tune my medieval bagpipe bass drone to an octave below the tonic of the chanter. This sounds great for most of my music. You should invest the $15 for an electronic tuner, unless you are more experienced and can tune it by ear.
Basically, knowing what key the Gaida is in, is important. If it is in the key of D, for example, find which of the notes on the chanter (Gaidanitsa) is D (Use the electronic tuner unless you know it by experience or by ear). Tune your drone to D, 2 octaves below the gaidanitsa (chanter), and fine tune with your ear, listening for that wonderful oscillation that you get as the two notes sync.
Most of your music should sound okay.
Now I may be wrong, and you may need to tune it to a different note, but i guarantee you that if the key of the chanter is D, and the drone is 2 octaves below that D, then you will be find for most melodies. If the gaida is in the key of C, tune the drone two octaves below the C, and so on.
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Fri, September 22, 2006 - 3:42 PMOK, I seriously don't mean to sound like a dick, but ... Dave, why are you posting stuff about musical instruments that you have never even played? I mean, this post ranged anywhere from a) not at all helpful ... to b) downright useless. It reminds me of your post on another 'Bulgarian Folk Music' thread, 'Purchasing a Kaval' ... you recommend one particular vendor, claiming that they sell "High quality Kavals," yet I don't get the impression that you actually PLAY the kaval, nor have ever played a kaval supplied by that particular vendor. I responded to your post by asking about your kaval experience, but your never supplied a response.
I mean, here's a hint ... if you find yourself saying things like "I may be too ignorant," "Now I may be wrong," and "you may need to consult the other experts," MAYBE you should not be trying to pass yourself off as someone with post-worthy experience.
Hell, medieval bagpipes are all very interesting, but ... Bulgarian bagpipe drones aren't even tuned to two octaves below the chanter ... they're tuned to two octaves below the FIFTH of the chanter.
I certainly am not claiming to be a professional gaida player ... but , at least when I post my own observations and advice, they are grounded in three years of experience of playing one and ten years of listening to Bulgarian music. It downright pisses me off that you admit that you "know nothing of Bulgarian tunes or their style of playing."
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 4:50 PM>
>OK, I seriously don't mean to sound like a dick, but ...
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Yeah, but you were.
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 2:20 PMGeoff I have another thought after I reread your post that your chanter is low quality etc etc. My thought is that perhaps it is fine.... any it could possibly need the reed adjusted to bring out the tone and quality that the chanter has. Just a thought.... -
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Sat, September 23, 2006 - 8:26 PMYes, you mentioned something about this in a previous post (or was it this one) a long time ago. I have three or four different sets of reeds, and I've been constantly switching them in and out and in and out, trying to find the perfect combination, but with little luck. The only thing that seemed to make the flea hole work was the aforementioned bit o' plastic.
Equally frustrating is how relatively weak and 'breathy' the two or three lowest notes on my chantert sound. I've been experimenting with transposing my repertoire down by a fifth ... basically, re-routing the tonic to the second hole ... which gives me much more of the upper range I need to play the songs I know ... But the lower notes just don't come out as loud and clear as the higher ones ... plus, the drone is two octaves below the fourth now.
Alas, the struggle continues. The good news is, I'm going to Macedonian in July, 07, so I might be able to find a good teacher and a better gaida once I'm there!
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 11:25 AMDirk, do you have any experience with the cheap gaidas that the Balkan retailers sell online? I bought mine used on eBay for around $100, but it looks just like the ones I've seen selling for $150 or thereabouts on the Internet. I'm just really starting to wonder if I'm wasting my time trying to seriously learn gaida on a souvenir-level instrument. -
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Sun, September 24, 2006 - 7:43 PMHi Geoff, this is my last post for a while. I think you can connect the dots. Yes I am familiar with the situation exactly. That is how I got my start. I searched for a Bulgarian maker and he explained to me a lot about what he knew about chanters and reeds. So I just learned some of what he had to teach me. The bottom line is, that if you were to take your chanter and reed to some one who was an expert in this, not a "folkie", they would be able to show you about properly adjusting the reed (it may take some actual work with tooks) and how to adjust the chanter to bring out balance of tone, volume and pitch. The thing I walked away with is that the reed being properly adjusted is what makes a huge difference.
OK, well given that, and given that I was playing with a group (4 of us) I did not want to settle with a mediocre sound. Also I didnt want to turn blue trying to play with an inefficient reed - and also a beginner to boot, I did not want the instrument to be a handicap to learning. So I set about trying to find somebody I could trust to make me a quality "authentic" reed and chanter from a maker that other Bulgarians got their instruments from.
So I searched and asked and eventually arrived at a maker who would make a chanter and reed for me. Then when I got it I went to my Bulgarian master maker and asked him to help me adjust it "just right" and teach me how he does it.
That was my path. Its a nice journey that you may want to take on your own. You will learn a lot.
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Wed, January 3, 2007 - 12:00 PMif the flea hole does not shift the tone enough (from closed to open) then it is too small or too long - so adding a tube would make it worse
if it shifts the tone by more than a half tone then it is too large or too short
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 12:29 PMHey, if anyone knows any good links that give you details about the setup and care of the Gaida, and how it differs from other bagpipes, please let me know. I'm putting together a page of info as I accomplish things with my piping. -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Fri, September 22, 2006 - 3:50 PMThis also kinda bugs me ... You want to start a web site featuring Internet resources for an instrument that you, by your own admission, DO NOT PLAY, and ... here's the worst part ... you want OTHER people to do the hard work and supply the links? Huh?
Why not educate us about something that you actually KNOW about, like the medieval bagpipes? THAT'S a post that I would really appreciate and take seriously ... -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sat, September 23, 2006 - 4:56 PMGeoff, you seriously have a really crappy attitude.
I'd gladly post about Medieval Bagpipes, but because the request came from a person who has the message-board etiquette of a steaming fresh turd, I don't think so. -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sat, September 23, 2006 - 8:19 PMI believe that I said everything that I had to say as tactfully as I could. In the meantime, please limit your posts to things that you actually know something about. Nothing personal. If you're really interested in learning about Bulgarian music and the gaida, in particular, may I suggest Timothy Rice's 'May It Fill Your Soul'? A bit overly academic at times, but an excellent source of info. Or are you equally unable to take a book recommendation from "a person who has the message-board etiquette of a steaming fresh turd"? Your loss, then ... -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 10:48 AMTactfully? Geoff, your messages had the tact of a butt-hole with a serious gas problem.
You failed to really read my message, and then took an attitude. At the beginning of my message, I wrote that I wasn't sure if what I was offering would aply to Bulgarian music.
My advice will work for most european styles of folk music, but not being into traditional Bulgarian music, I didn't know if they have different tunings. Somehow, my admitting that I wasn't sure isn't enough for your high-and-mighty-tactful-turdiness.
The truth is that what I offered was practical advice for the vast majority of bagpipes and music styles -- it does generally work -- Of course it depends on the music you're playing.
So please, just shove it, and learn to communicate like a friggin' adult. -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 11:20 AMDave, you have some real problems ...
In just two days, you have used the expressions "steaming fresh turd," "butt-hole with a serious gas problem," "high-and-mighty-tactful-turdiness" and "really crappy attitude" ... and then (hold on, here's the punchline), you demand that I "just shove it" and "learn to communicate like a friggin' adult."
Don't know where you're from, Dave, but most of the "friggin' adults" where I live tend to steer clear of fecal and rectal references. Would Freud say yours is an 'anal retentive' or an 'anal expulsive' one? Ah, I digress ...
In any case, let me ask you this: Do you play the kaval? Have you played a kaval from Bulgariana.com, and have you played kavals from other suppliers, as well? Or were you just making recommendations in order to sound knowledgeable? Unfortunately, the last is how you came across. I could be wrong.
The same applies to the bagpipe "suggestions" that you made. At least we can agree on SOMETHING ... yes, you DON'T know anything about Bulgarian music. Why not just research a little bit first before bandying about info that really isn't all that much help to anyone other than yourself.
If I'm coming across as high-and-mighty (I won't address my own level of "turdiness"), it's just because I come to Tribe to learn and exchange things with knowledgeable, experienced people, but lately I've been finding myself having to hack and slash through a lot of posts made by people who have less to say than they think they do. I have to tell you, a lot of other, more specialized boards would have shut you down far faster and a lot less gently than I did.
Sorry that you're taking this so hard.
And, please ... no more mentioning on rectums and fecal matter. Save that toilet talk for the friggin' adults that you hang out with. -
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 11:37 AMOuch ... it just occured to me ... This is stupid. Let's not do this here, Dave. Anything that you have to say to me on this subject, just directly email it to me. I'll do the same. People aren't coming to this Tribe to listen to our little debate. Sounds reasonable?
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Re: Any kaba gaida players here?
Sun, September 24, 2006 - 7:11 PMAll I have to say is... Welcome to the internet!
My experience is the same -- 90% of what is on the net is crap, and you have to dig through mountains of... turds, before finding that one thing you're looking for.
I play about a dozen different kinds of bagpipes, including the Greek double-chanter one. I've never played any "ethnic-specific" styles, as I tend to like to stay ecclectic, picking and choosing the instruments that have just the right sound I'm looking for for various projects. In virtually every case, bagpipes are tuned essentially the same way. But when we're dealing with a specific type and style of music, that's when you get into all the OTHER tunings that drones can be tuned to. Case and point, my speciality, medieval music. In Medieval texts, there's dozens of different tunings for various songs. In fact, some people I know in the bagpiping community, re-tune their drones for various music. Most pipers just leave it tuned to the same tunings for everything, because most music will sound pretty fine. I keep my drones tuned to the tonic of the music I play, and nearly everything sounds just fine.
You can pretty much play nearly all the same music on a Gaida that you can play on other bagpipes. I liked the sweet sound of the gaida's chanter and the extra-long drone. I'm planning on playing Medieval European folk music on it.
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